>> well, in fact, obama care, so-called obama care that ryan was attacking, while it doesn't go as far as i would like to go, i'm a single-payor advocate, it provides health insurance for 30 million more americans, a huge step forward, ending this obscenity of preexisting conditions, making sure kids under 26 can continue o get health care from their parents and putting huge amounts of money into disease prevention and keeping people out of the hospital and out of the emergency room. we also doubled the number of community health centers in this country so 20 million more americans can get primary health care. i don't think that is ducking the health care issue, i think that is probably the boldest step forward in many, many years. >> senator, do you think that this just walks seniors right into the democrats' camp? go ahead. >> this is what i think, ed. when you get old probably the issue you worry about most is you're going to get sick, what kind of health care is out there for you, can you afford it. and when you have somebody like ryan come forward and saying we're going to end med